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last off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast that's right coming

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to you

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live from the base of la madre mountain

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i'm ryan the original

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outlaw of the airwaves bringing you a

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vip episode of

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does the music you listen to affect your

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life

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hmm does the music your kids

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listen to affect your life

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does modern music stunt us

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was the hippie culture

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a psyop music

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has more of effect on us than i think we

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even realize

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and it is a sensitive topic to discuss

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few have done the research our guest

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today has done

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simon siddal has delved

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deeply into not only realizing the power

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that playing sounds has on altering

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people's moods

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but the parallels between the way people

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treat themselves and the music they

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well that as well as possibly

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music and drug use are there parallels

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don't fall into the mainstream rut

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there is a parallel between iq

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and the music you listen to and this

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isn't just

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bigoted information i'm spewing there's

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really interesting scientific

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research and background to all of this

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does classical music make the mind work

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in a more beautiful way

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well i don't know but back in the times

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when people were listening to classical

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i can tell you that people were a lot

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more extravagant

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and colorful they seem to have

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multi-faceted

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characters they were amazing

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amazing people that we make movies about

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nowadays

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men and women both wore wigs and makeup

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and use them equally not a thing was

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thought about

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any of this and

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it's it's interesting that uh a return

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to those times might

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open our eyes a bit as to how

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it's uh modern music that really worries

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basic repetitive and we should be

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careful about thinking it's just music i

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can't wait to talk to simon and i can't

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wait for you

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to hear what he has to say before we do

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though

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let me just touch base and ask if you've

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gone to heroparanormal.com

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just check it out it's a nice little

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gateway to like go to different

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other areas whether that be uh listening

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to the archive or

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a particular episode uh check it out

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and also if you have a moment

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check out spacewolfresearch.com

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it's just a science project done for fun

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in the best of intentions in the worst

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of areas and

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kind of interesting so basically

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that's all i've got to say let's get to

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it and talk to the man

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who knows much more than i could

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ever know about this simon siddell is

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only a musician he is a music professor

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a researcher who is very aware

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and a wealth of knowledge of the history

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of music

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the consciousness raising techniques

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and well he has more or less set a goal

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for himself

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to show people that it's time for

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listeners alike to take up their

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shamanic powers and

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open their minds to the reality that

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is magic and has magical qualities

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much like frequencies and the like i can

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shed a candle's light on what simon

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siddal is about to blow our minds with

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the wealth of information the research

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he's done

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a music professor unlike any other here

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to show us how to empower ourselves

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live better lives help those around us

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help our kids

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and become more magically

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empowered simon siddall welcome

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to the hero paranormal podcast i'm so

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excited to talk to you

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about this amazing

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thing that you have researched uh you're

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this unconscious habitual use of music

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hello thank you for having me on it's a

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pleasure to be here yeah

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it's uh trust me um it may sound strange

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to your audience but as a music teacher

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who's

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been researching altered states of mind

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and conspiracy theory for years

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it was a pretty horrifying realization

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and simon how long do you think

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the powers that be or whoever it is the

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have realized that they have some form

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of control over this music

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well um i think that goes back millennia

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um there are you know the

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well-stated records of the uh cult of

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back in hellenic greece um

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whose entire kind of religious and

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magical practice was about

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being able to control the masses through

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song the the practice of using

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music as a a societal

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guide if you like or a societal uh

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hammer and anvil if you like

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well it's recorded right back to there

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at the very least and

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my personal view is that music

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in its infancy in human civilization

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shamanic enterprise it was there

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to alter people's minds now back

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a long time ago when you simply had you

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know 60 people in your stone age

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um not a village because they were they

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nomads but you know 60 people in your

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family and one

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shaman who could sing songs that could

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change

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the state of your mind and the entire

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your village then you knew who that

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they lived with you you had a

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relationship with them

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and in all likelihood they wished you

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the best both physically and spiritually

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this is not the case anymore um music

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despite the fact that it is

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still capable of shaping people's minds

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complete way

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is no longer in the hands of people who

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love you or care for you

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these the musical undertones are far

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slope with this for a long time and that

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in all probability as far as i can see

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deliberately engineered for us

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oh yeah wow deliberately engineered

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that's a powerful statement and a

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powerful type of magic and this

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may be one of the most powerful types of

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magic if it's able to

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lower a human's vibration is that

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least in our society if you if you check

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other places you will find a completely

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different attitude towards this but in

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uh one of the things we have been

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deep and involving art which obviously

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if you like the the the amount of music

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feeds the human soul even though there

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but what i do know is that it's now like

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trying to find a needle in a haystack

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um what you might call the music

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industry but what you might also call

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the machine or even some form of

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that thing is producing so much

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automated plastic soulless

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music that it's becoming almost

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another powerful statement simon a

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soulless music

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and it is it it really is this is

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this is and and it's what's scary

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is there is a well i guess

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game plan

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has been the writings on the wall this

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hippie movement and mind control with

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that was actually part of

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the straw that broke the camel's back

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a lot of stuff about societal control

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from various different angles and i also

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there were various philosophies pushing

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through the lyrical and for the

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philosophical content of music

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that were vying for control of the

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but it was when i discovered uh the work

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on youtube who produced um videos and a

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couple of books called musical truth

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where he presents evidence for three

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agencies you know the cia the fbi you

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name it

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easy it was with their money

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psychological insight to simply just

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strong political drives inside it and

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they decided that that was too dangerous

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the thing in the us

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and that they were going to take um an

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element of what was at the

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the the side of it at the time of the

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edges of that movement at the time which

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was

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uh you know californian nudism and

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rolling in mud and smoking so much dope

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that you're completely incoherent they

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took that little bit

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of what was going on at the side of it

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and decided to amplify it out of all

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proportion until it took over the

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movement

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at which point because everybody was so

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spaced out

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it was actually quite easy to start

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injecting all sorts of other

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nefarious things into that movement by

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introducing new bands

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so yeah it was when i discovered all of

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this

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through mark devlin's work that i began

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to

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it have only started in the middle

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60s the the the recording

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industry has been in existence since the

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1920s

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at least um

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and i fully well know that you know

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secret societies especially ones that

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control

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um that our civilization's

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attitudes and philosophies and even our

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art movements and such

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such like uh were fully functional and

329
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and fully manned in the 1920s i thought

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well

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the last few years i've been trying to

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trace it back through time which is

333
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a very difficult thing to do um if not

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only because

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nobody talks about it on these terms

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you can see the um

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[Music]

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the effects of it you can see the the

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symptoms of it sometimes

340
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going on but to actually see the

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workings in the background

342
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well they're not really recorded or at

343
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least i've never encountered them yet so

344
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i'm working from

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yes i admitted supposition i'm working

346
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from

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the simple question qui bono who

348
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actually

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benefits from the trend

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that music is taking the trend towards

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the inane

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the profane the anti-life

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but it's you know we felt this 20 years

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ago and people were sort of

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dodgy about getting

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militant about saying such a thing you

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know because so many people would say

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you're just getting old granddad you

359
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just got hack modern pop music kind of

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thing

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i think that's changed now i think most

362
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people are looking at each other and

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going

364
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yeah there's demons on the radio isn't

365
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that

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what's going on and

367
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it's time that we actually did something

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with this it's time

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that both musicians especially

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the musicians who have been wrapped up

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into the industry

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both just in work in the aspect of work

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but also just in the aspect of their

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philosophy of how they produce music

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and why they produce music

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and also audiences have to

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examine what they're doing

378
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what they are producing what they are

379
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consuming and why

380
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if not uh if only for the reason that

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we have to understand that the

382
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possibility for poison

383
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inside that diet of music

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is considerably greater than we've

385
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uh been comfortable to believe if you

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like yes

387
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and it's it's really scary this

388
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this power uh involved with the music

389
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and not not falling

390
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into the the rut of listening to the

391
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mainstream

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because it seems that the parallels

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between what people listen to and the

394
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way they

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treat themselves are there they are

396
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indeed

397
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i i um in my teaching i make

398
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two comparisons with music consumption

399
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one of them is

400
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a comparison to the way people use

401
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self-administered street drugs or even

402
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um

403
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doctors prescribed drugs in order to

404
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modulate their

405
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emotional and psychic state and the

406
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other illusion i like to make is

407
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between uh people's taste in music

408
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and people's taste in food and

409
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an understanding that there is nutrition

410
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involved

411
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so that you know you could have a an

412
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endearing love

413
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for sugar frosted doughnuts why not

414
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but if you let that infantile

415
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taste for little else but salt sugar and

416
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fat

417
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actually rule your adult choices you'll

418
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make yourself very ill

419
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and i like to make i've i started making

420
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comparisons between this argument and

421
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your um

422
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your consumption of music a couple of

423
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years back and

424
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i've still not come to the bottom of

425
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the number of different aspects of this

426
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comparison that ring true

427
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we have to learn how to give ourselves

428
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a healthy diet wow

429
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yeah i honestly i sadly have to

430
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be honest and say that you know my

431
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choice in music especially when i was an

432
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adolescent

433
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was not top shelf menu it was

434
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lower yeah it was not the good stuff

435
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but as i've gotten older like you said

436
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that grandfather effect has

437
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pulled in and i've noticed i'm listening

438
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to a lot more classical music most of

439
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:32,000
the time

440
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and it really does affect your mood

441
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yes i i

442
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:40,799
there is a subtle and complex thing that

443
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goes on with music and people's

444
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,320
choosing of music people rarely realize

445
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that or at least at least they may

446
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realize that they don't become

447
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fully conscious fully cognized and

448
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therefore able to

449
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use that knowledge for to to to to

450
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finesse what they're doing they do not

451
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,480
understand

452
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why they choose the pieces of music that

453
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they enjoy listening to a lot of the

454
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:04,960
time

455
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it's a semi or subconscious

456
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process of choice uh sometimes you can

457
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,280
even feel like you do want to listen to

458
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one kind of piece of music you put it on

459
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,240
for 15 seconds you go

460
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,840
no i don't want that at all and you

461
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:19,440
suddenly find something else that

462
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,200
you weren't thinking of but then your

463
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,120
heart and your gut says yeah that's what

464
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,640
i want to hear right now

465
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,320
so there's a demonstration of the fact

466
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that it's rarely

467
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,000
our the the the front the the youngest

468
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,320
bit of our prefrontal cortex

469
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,360
our most rational mind that's actually

470
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:38,799
making our choices

471
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,400
about music it's something deeper and

472
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one of the reasons this is is because

473
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one of the powers of music in its

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in a fairly simple form is its power

475
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to impart into us

476
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an emotion that we were finding

477
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:57,360
difficult

478
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,400
to access for ourselves so this is

479
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,840
actually quite possible to do with just

480
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:03,360
a three minute pop song

481
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:06,159
um to give it its most obvious form if

482
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,200
you're

483
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,240
simply feeling a bit run down

484
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,120
a bit tired a bit stiff a bit sat in

485
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,640
your chair for too long

486
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,720
putting a really rowdy piece of pop

487
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:18,159
music on

488
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,760
will um poke your nervous system

489
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,919
into remembering what it's like to be in

490
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,360
a high energy state

491
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,280
and you'll find it easier to get back up

492
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there that

493
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,440
that's obvious to everybody i suppose

494
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but it's not just that sense of

495
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um physical exhaustion that you can

496
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solve with a piece of music

497
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there are dozens of emotional states

498
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that you can

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choose to move to a different place with

500
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what i refer to as a

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mono-emotional song a song that only

502
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sticks in one emotion and just sits

503
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there until everybody

504
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,720
listening to it has vibed with it and

505
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:57,600
come into that emotional state

506
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the trouble with using this music is

507
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this kind of music

508
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:05,360
is that if we exclusively use that kind

509
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of music

510
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or very very regular to the exclusion of

511
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almost all else use that kind of music

512
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and we rely on it to alter our emotional

513
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state

514
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well then what's the difference between

515
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that and trying to cheer yourself up

516
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,440
with a line of cocaine

517
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:24,240
it's not much different the only

518
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:24,799
difference

519
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,000
is that we don't

520
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take music seriously enough to think

521
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that it can become

522
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such a uh an addicting uh

523
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:38,880
thing that we need to rely on just to

524
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,000
modulate ourselves and remain in balance

525
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:45,200
wow yeah we don't take it seriously at

526
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all

527
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and i mean we use this to put our

528
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,240
children to sleep with lullabies

529
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,280
and there's an element of magic now

530
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,880
inside of it and i'm glad you mentioned

531
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,720
the secret societies that

532
00:22:00,789 --> 00:22:00,000
might be using this to alter people's

533
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,799
minds

534
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,000
and they're using music as a

535
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,400
mind-altering technology now

536
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:07,200
it's been mentioned that capital records

537
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,000
there's many

538
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,200
rumors of different record companies

539
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,120
both here and in the uk

540
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and i'm sure you've been i don't want to

541
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:17,120
name names but the bowl skin house comes

542
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:17,760
to mind

543
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,280
and aleister crowley's old place of er

544
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,840
and led zeppelin is there any truth to

545
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:26,799
this

546
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,000
um i have heard stories and i'm quite

547
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:31,440
happy to believe them

548
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,070
in some of the the mainstream recording

549
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,039
studios but when they have finally made

550
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,799
a master of an lp or a song

551
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,159
they take it in it's in a in a physical

552
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,200
form like a

553
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,840
a cd or a hard disk or something they

554
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:54,480
take it

555
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:57,919
to a room that is uh kept

556
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:01,280
aside for doing magical ceremonies

557
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,960
and that they actually cast a full

558
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,080
blown spell on this master

559
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,280
before it is taken to the uh

560
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:13,120
the the reproduction and distribution

561
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,559
plan to be turned into millions of

562
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:15,919
copies or something

563
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,799
now whether you have any belief that

564
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,840
somehow

565
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,000
you know noughts and wands in a digital

566
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,840
recording of something can get affected

567
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,600
by such a thing

568
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,400
that's that's very hard to reach and to

569
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:30,080
understand for a lot of people and fair

570
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,120
enough

571
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:34,799
but you have to at least understand the

572
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,400
uh recording studios recording companies

573
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:41,120
and music companies are not in the

574
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:41,760
business

575
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,880
of wasting time and money while they're

576
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:46,240
trying to

577
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:50,240
rinse drive musicians and audiences

578
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:53,840
to make a book so why would they

579
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,549
a master of a yeah man i totally

580
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,000
understand i get it

581
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,039
before they take it distribution and yet

582
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,159
they do uh

583
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,880
yeah so known about it and they've

584
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,320
always preferred that we

585
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:17,760
don't know about it that's

586
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,960
what makes music such a

587
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:23,440
dangerously powerful thing in our

588
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:24,400
culture

589
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:28,559
around the world because we have

590
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,000
been conditioned into

591
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,159
uh not believing that music

592
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,279
can have these powerful effects

593
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:42,240
because we are so unguarded about its

594
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:43,360
capacity

595
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:47,679
to change us it has free reign over us

596
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,200
amazing yeah you

597
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,159
you can hear a song and it is a song can

598
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,840
take you to moments it's like it's

599
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,360
almost like a time machine it can take

600
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,559
you to

601
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:01,200
emotions that you didn't expect uh it

602
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:02,159
can take you to

603
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,919
uh places that are hard to explain and

604
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,320
yet you know we i guess the trouble with

605
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,559
this is

606
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:13,440
as we watch the youth you know that

607
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,000
they're listening

608
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,799
to nursery songs at three and then they

609
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,360
move on

610
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:19,760
to other things what do we need to watch

611
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,990
if you're so if you're asking about what

612
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,159
can a parent do to help a child

613
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:31,520
actually grow up without being

614
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:35,279
psychically molested by this magic it's

615
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,120
it's a tricky thing um first of all that

616
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:40,880
parent has to be

617
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,240
self-aware uh aware of what music

618
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,880
does to themselves so that they can be

619
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,760
conversant

620
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,760
about that with their children and pass

621
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,760
on that skill and that knowledge to

622
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,039
their children

623
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,400
um and that can take time um

624
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:59,279
that is actually something that i am

625
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,760
well i

626
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:02,159
i have written a course to do that for

627
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,279
music lovers to

628
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:05,679
heighten their sensitivity to the

629
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,400
emotional

630
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,200
and psychic effects of music um i wrote

631
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:11,120
it as a book originally and i've read

632
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,960
i've decided to to rejig it into a uh

633
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,679
a more interactive internet course which

634
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,679
i'm in the in the process of making at

635
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:21,200
the moment so that will be available

636
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,320
soon for people

637
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:25,600
but to cut it down to really simple

638
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,549
before you ever need to get that complex

639
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,159
with it

640
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,360
consider what are you letting your child

641
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,080
actually listen to if if what you're

642
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:40,000
letting your child listen to

643
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,840
is music that uh

644
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,039
you can see by its presentation by

645
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,039
uh the channels through which it's come

646
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:50,960
through by

647
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:54,159
uh the attitudes within it that it is

648
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,960
music

649
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,080
simply there to cause a buzz

650
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,600
or to cause offense or to

651
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,840
do nothing but make people want to dance

652
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:06,559
and scream and jump about

653
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:10,080
anything which is there for the simplest

654
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,960
hit in music

655
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,360
the sugar and the salt and the fat and

656
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,360
nothing else

657
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,720
while you're looking at or you're

658
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,760
hearing music there that is made

659
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:22,240
just to make a book and the chances of

660
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:23,200
it having

661
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,039
a lot of pro-life pro-consciousness

662
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:28,799
pro-human

663
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,520
attributes inside it is fairly damn low

664
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,919
in order to find music that is actually

665
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:36,640
going to

666
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,840
help your child grow and become

667
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,880
psychically strong i would suggest that

668
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,240
you go looking for

669
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,600
music that a makes you feel good

670
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,919
makes you feel clever makes you feel

671
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:55,990
and also music that you can see by

672
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,320
its uh it's placing and time in history

673
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:03,840
and in space that it was written

674
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:07,279
by somebody who was trying to write art

675
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,870
and while i am a musician speak to music

676
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,440
who can obviously see those things i

677
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,880
don't think it's too difficult for any

678
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,559
person to do a little bit of research

679
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:25,279
into musicians and see whether they were

680
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,320
people who were just

681
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,120
in it for the fame and the money or that

682
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,720
they were people who were really

683
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,120
deeply involved in music because by the

684
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,960
time anybody is deeply involved in music

685
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:39,039
even if they are wrapped up in the music

686
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,159
industry it's

687
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,399
hard for the music industry to strip

688
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,399
that music back down to something which

689
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:47,120
becomes inhuman again

690
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:51,679
use your instinct wow

691
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,640
makes perfect sense and you know my i

692
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,320
noticed that my two-year-old daughter

693
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,880
after watching disney for

694
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,880
20 minutes she'll jump up and down like

695
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,240
she just had sugar so

696
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,480
it's a very interesting explanation but

697
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,399
so true

698
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,240
yeah you have to be very this is the

699
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,600
thing you have to be very careful not

700
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,559
just with

701
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,240
you know letting your child go on

702
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,000
youtube and download uh

703
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,960
music videos or something like that but

704
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,799
that kind of commercial music is

705
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,640
everywhere now isn't it as soon as we

706
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:22,640
switch on a screen or we walk into a

707
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,159
shop or a mall or anything there is that

708
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,320
kind of music playing

709
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,200
so yes it's very difficult to be looking

710
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,640
over your child's shoulder the whole

711
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:34,960
time while that's going on

712
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,880
one thing you can do straight away with

713
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,600
children and

714
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,600
it's a great thing to do regardless of

715
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:43,600
whether it's about music or not

716
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:46,640
simply help your child

717
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,360
become conversant become aware

718
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,600
of what their experience of music has

719
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,640
just done for them

720
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,440
so when you see your daughter running

721
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,279
around

722
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,559
uh like a firework screaming

723
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:05,200
after listening to 20 minutes of disney

724
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,600
then

725
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,000
just say to her do you realize that it

726
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,600
was the disney songs that did that to

727
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,640
you

728
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:13,760
fun being in this place or is it

729
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,399
exhausting

730
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,919
and just let her actually think about it

731
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,919
for a moment the more

732
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,320
we can help everybody not just our

733
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:21,440
children

734
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,039
the more we can help everybody become

735
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,679
a little bit more aware of what is going

736
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,840
on those two or three layers down from

737
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,279
our conscious mind when we

738
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,159
imbibe music and to just stop for a

739
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:36,080
second and observe ourselves and go well

740
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,440
what did it do then

741
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,360
rather than just ah that's good i got

742
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,720
that music hit but

743
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:43,360
what was it what has changed oh that's

744
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,320
curious

745
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,760
as soon as we begin to think like that

746
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:50,320
it becomes something much more

747
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:51,200
handleable

748
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,360
much more uh in our awareness

749
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,360
it's the reason it's so tricky is

750
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,480
because especially in the west we are so

751
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,519
um driven into uh

752
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:05,120
dealing with our thoughts through our

753
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,799
visual cortex

754
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,760
so it's very easy to to understand that

755
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,600
if you show a child

756
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,159
uh pictures with insanely bright colors

757
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:16,000
in them and all sorts of jagged angles

758
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,279
inside the pictures

759
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,840
then they will become over stimulated

760
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,600
it's easy to understand if you see

761
00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:24,480
pictures of horrifying things that it's

762
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,140
going to upset a child

763
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,080
[Music]

764
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,600
it's not difficult to extend that kind

765
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,039
of awareness

766
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:36,720
through to any kind of music

767
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:39,679
you just have to understand that music

768
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,080
does

769
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:43,039
have just as much of an immediate power

770
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:44,080
on that level

771
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,909
and it's it's very interesting that

772
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,919
yeah everybody kind of knows what you're

773
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,679
talking about when you say

774
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,919
i mean music no you you can tell

775
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,679
immediately what genre you're listening

776
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:00,640
to

777
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:04,799
went from

778
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,240
reggae to rap

779
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:11,279
and then completely just classical

780
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,880
all the time and uh at it you know it

781
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,640
it seemed like it went from down to

782
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,039
lower and then in my opinion

783
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,200
that my life got a ton better when i

784
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,360
listened to mostly classical music

785
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:26,320
but it has been pushed for years and

786
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,120
years

787
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,159
this uh this this industry what what

788
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,700
could be the motive behind it

789
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,360
[Music]

790
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,600
okay i've been looking at your podcasts

791
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,640
and you like

792
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,120
seriously deep dark conspiracy don't you

793
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:43,679
i do

794
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:49,840
well uh can i ask do you

795
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,440
understand the story of the archons

796
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,720
i was told by the gnostics i do

797
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,880
i'm not sure if all of our lit all my

798
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,519
listeners do but i will and i will

799
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,440
sure i will explain that in a shorter

800
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:05,840
manner as i can for you

801
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,279
um the archons are in

802
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,519
the gnostics view it's a you know a

803
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,760
religious philosophical story that you

804
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,559
can

805
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,120
um use as a model that's what i do or

806
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,880
you can take it for reality that's what

807
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,880
john lamb lash does the guy who taught

808
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:23,039
it to me

809
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,880
the archons are an accident from the

810
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:28,960
creation of the earth

811
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:32,720
they are left over astral

812
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,480
energy that did not have any place

813
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,159
in the physical realm and as such

814
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,120
what was created out of this spilt

815
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:44,320
astral energy

816
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:48,640
was some kind of non-organic

817
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,080
intelligence that cannot exist on our

818
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,760
physical plane

819
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,559
and yet can interface with us on the

820
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,640
mental plane

821
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,760
to put that in simple english they can

822
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,720
speak through our minds and they have

823
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:06,720
perfected the art of making those

824
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:10,560
speeches sound like our thoughts

825
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,159
so an archon is

826
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,280
uh a creature that is insanely

827
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,320
jealous of our uh

828
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:23,359
realm and the sheer possibility and

829
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,079
beauty and spectacle and uh

830
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,240
everything about our world yeah they're

831
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,240
jealous of us being here but they cannot

832
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,440
be here with us

833
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,480
so their next

834
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:39,760
best thing that they can do

835
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:44,079
is to use a human being

836
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,159
as an avatar just like

837
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,800
you might play grand theft auto 5 and

838
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,280
you can't actually live in san andreas

839
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,119
but you can with the help of a computer

840
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,760
and a character on the screen

841
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,400
go and experience lots of things inside

842
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,400
san andreas yeah

843
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,800
the archons would like to use and have

844
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,560
been using humans

845
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,400
just like that because that's what they

846
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,640
can do they plug into our minds and they

847
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,280
experience life through us

848
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,440
the thing is in order to be able to

849
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:17,839
really successfully do this

850
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,040
they have to dehumanize us to some

851
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,040
degree they have to actually

852
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,320
switch off the more human and

853
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,520
higher reaching and soul

854
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,640
integrated parts of our minds they need

855
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,880
to dumb us down they need to turn us

856
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:37,760
into automatons

857
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,839
now if that is the case

858
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,400
what would be a better way of doing it

859
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,720
than using such an invisibly powerful

860
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:47,920
force as music

861
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,960
to slowly dehumanize and turn people

862
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,079
into robots you think about what music

863
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,839
sounded like in

864
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,040
1780 how mute

865
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,560
how human and complex and rich

866
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,599
and immediate and ephemeral

867
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,839
to the degree that nobody had recordings

868
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,880
you had to you had

869
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,720
you simply had to be there in front of

870
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,560
the musician and cherish it the moment

871
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,359
it was there and then it was gone again

872
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,640
all of this is gone in 2020

873
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,640
you can pick up a piece of plastic or

874
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,000
even just you know connect some

875
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:23,760
electrons through your phone

876
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:26,880
and get this artifact

877
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,200
this commodity through your devices

878
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,800
which has been stamped and ironed and

879
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:37,839
straightened out beyond any sense of

880
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:38,839
being

881
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,079
human and the chances are

882
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,200
if it's um like most music

883
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:48,320
made of computers nowadays it's been

884
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,760
made in practically less time

885
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,920
than it takes to actually listen to it

886
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:56,000
with the virtuality of modern

887
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:00,560
um midi uh digital audio workstations as

888
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,200
they're called

889
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:02,960
the computers that people write music on

890
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,680
nowadays with the way that those things

891
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:09,119
are set out it is quite possible

892
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,200
to write music that lasts an hour

893
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:16,400
in five minutes flat and then put it on

894
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,119
a disc

895
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,440
and publish it in less time that it

896
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,800
would take anybody

897
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,240
to even experience it now if that's not

898
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:27,040
removal from the physical plane into the

899
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,160
astral plane

900
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:34,230
right we we should be careful about

901
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:34,880
thinking

902
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,640
it's just music it can't hurt me

903
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:41,040
well it can heal you and it can hurt you

904
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,079
but what i

905
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:44,480
want people to understand is that the

906
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:45,359
more music

907
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,040
seems to come from machines

908
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,640
the more music is served through

909
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:52,400
machines it is amplified through

910
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,440
machines that is

911
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,480
uh published to us through machines even

912
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,720
when you see somebody live nowadays the

913
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,920
chances of you actually

914
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,599
hearing the vibrations of their

915
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,200
instrument acoustically

916
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,680
are pretty low most people use power

917
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,839
amplification for everything

918
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,480
every aspect where machines has got in

919
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,040
the way between the performer and you

920
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:16,720
is one more level of that connection

921
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,040
between human beings um feeding us

922
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,320
being blocked off and in

923
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,960
in the element of in the in the moment

924
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,079
of being blocked off

925
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,119
possibly even being edited so that it is

926
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:33,440
less subtle so that it is more

927
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,630
wow modern music may be stunting us it

928
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:42,240
sounds like

929
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,320
i'm absolutely sure it is um if

930
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,920
if music teaches us uh it it's it's been

931
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,440
let me let me try and gather my thoughts

932
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,079
here it's been

933
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,400
scientifically demonstrated in recent

934
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,440
years

935
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:00,880
that music has an effect

936
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:04,480
on infant's capacity for

937
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,079
uh language complexity

938
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,960
and therefore capacity for understanding

939
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,720
and it's been demonstrated that

940
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,359
by playing certain forms of uh

941
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,440
life-enhancing music

942
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,440
or i don't think that i don't think the

943
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:21,119
studies went on the negative side but

944
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:22,400
they certainly weren't on the positive

945
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,960
side

946
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,599
it's been demonstrated that even before

947
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,400
children can

948
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,480
speak before they've learned to actually

949
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,160
form words properly

950
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,960
playing them good music can actually

951
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:33,839
result in

952
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,359
a statistically noticeable upping of

953
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,599
their capacity to communicate well and

954
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,680
to understand well and to philosophize

955
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,560
well

956
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:44,240
later in their childhood and perhaps

957
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,630
later in life

958
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,160
[Music]

959
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:51,040
it's absolutely okay that has to do with

960
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:51,440
you

961
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,000
feeding children increasingly

962
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,069
music increasing music with increasingly

963
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:03,760
complex transactions

964
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,200
and thematic variations and

965
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,240
everything that a language can be as it

966
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:12,000
gets more and more complex

967
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,920
the trouble is is that we don't do this

968
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:17,839
anymore if you listen to what

969
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,280
uh 16 year olds are listening to

970
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,720
it might be um

971
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,839
in its vocabulary filled with

972
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,160
things too harsh for two-year-olds to

973
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,680
want to listen to instead

974
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,319
in sense of booming and grinding and

975
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,240
crashing noises sixteen-year-olds might

976
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,599
be listening to music that's

977
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,240
too harsh for toddlers on that sense but

978
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:41,680
in the sense of

979
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,119
how much complication how much mind

980
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,160
stimulating complexity

981
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,280
and game playing if you like with

982
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:54,240
thematic ideas is going on in 16 year

983
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,359
olds music

984
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,720
it's little better than nursery rhymes

985
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,920
and if that's the case then

986
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,920
that is what affecting those 16 year

987
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,240
olds no wonder

988
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,560
they might come out stunted in their

989
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:09,520
communication

990
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,760
capacities or even emotionally

991
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,680
unable to express themselves or to

992
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:17,040
understand themselves

993
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,119
it's because we are laying down

994
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,920
we are laying down beneath the level of

995
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:25,680
our thought processes

996
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:28,960
these examples through music

997
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,480
of just how complex or not our thought

998
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,359
processes

999
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,480
can be if all you ever experience

1000
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:39,760
is exceedingly simple arguments

1001
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,630
you um get used to that environment and

1002
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,720
you copy it

1003
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,800
that's what's bringing us down from

1004
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:52,240
music it's not that

1005
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,079
necessarily uh a lot of music is

1006
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,359
filled with some kind of sonic evil

1007
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,599
no it's not there are bits of it and i

1008
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:03,359
think some of us feel it when it comes

1009
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,079
and when we

1010
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,839
when we hear it but i don't think that's

1011
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:07,839
the big danger here the big danger here

1012
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,040
is simply being turned into

1013
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,480
automatons by music that behaves like an

1014
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:15,520
autumn attack

1015
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,270
yes and i i you know this is an

1016
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:26,400
opportunity i think out in the open that

1017
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,200
people have

1018
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,240
to kind of better themselves rise up and

1019
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,839
it doesn't have to be classical music

1020
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,119
but just more complex

1021
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:36,079
music i prefer classical but i mean here

1022
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,480
is an

1023
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,960
obvious you see it all the time on tv

1024
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,960
people joke around about it

1025
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,800
when they show the elites they always

1026
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,319
have the classical music in the

1027
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:45,680
background as a joke

1028
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:52,309
and the joke's on us the joke is on us

1029
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,720
like

1030
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,640
it's right there in plain sight and the

1031
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:55,920
joke is on us

1032
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,720
it's it's a choice about your history of

1033
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,480
of your love of classical music did you

1034
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:02,240
always love it as a child and it grew

1035
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,359
more or did you

1036
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:06,400
encounter it once and it hooks you i

1037
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,200
encountered

1038
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:09,359
beethoven and it hooked me i heard

1039
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,400
beethoven

1040
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,640
in an in first i couldn't i couldn't

1041
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,240
take three seconds but i

1042
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,839
i promised someone that i would listen

1043
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,640
to an entire song and i was hooked

1044
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,040
how old were you when that happened i

1045
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:22,800
was about

1046
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,000
wow i was in my 30s

1047
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,040
right so there we are did you feel like

1048
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,720
suddenly you were filled with something

1049
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:33,520
that you hadn't been filled with before

1050
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,200
passion yes yeah there's a there's a

1051
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,480
humanness to

1052
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,520
to beethoven that uh well it's frankly

1053
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:43,040
hard to match in a lot of other music

1054
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,560
isn't it

1055
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,160
but what i'm trying to point out here is

1056
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,390
you don't have to uh deeply educate

1057
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,880
yourself and lead up to this in some way

1058
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,040
it's obvious from your history that it's

1059
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,720
possible to have

1060
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,200
lived uh to go back to my food analogy

1061
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,440
it's possible to have lived a life

1062
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,599
eating nothing but pink slime chicken

1063
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,319
nuggets and mashed potatoes

1064
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:10,800
and then suddenly be given fruit in your

1065
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,160
thirties and go oh my god what is this

1066
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:17,440
yeah yeah you just have to have your

1067
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,040
ears and your heart and your mind open

1068
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,839
so that not only will it notice when you

1069
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:25,760
find that music which feeds you like

1070
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,319
that

1071
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:29,760
but you'll also notice the

1072
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,359
part of yourself which has become habit

1073
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,599
that would reject that kind of music in

1074
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,280
a moment because it's some kind of

1075
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,240
challenge or you know you're frightened

1076
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,079
of it being overly complex there are so

1077
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,079
many people who will

1078
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,880
almost instinctually without a single

1079
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,839
conscious thought

1080
00:44:51,390 --> 00:44:50,079
back away from certain kinds of music

1081
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,400
just from sheer

1082
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,400
unfamiliarity and yet they're actually

1083
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,400
bored with their emotional state on a

1084
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,319
day-to-day basis

1085
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,440
hey man fascinating yes

1086
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,640
i i can't agree more and it's it's

1087
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,640
strange how classical music can make the

1088
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,119
mind work in a more beautiful way

1089
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,800
and modern music may be stunting us is

1090
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,040
is it strange i'm glad we brought up

1091
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,440
beethoven because is it strange that iq

1092
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,240
tests are well you've heard obviously

1093
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,079
i'll let you explain to our listeners

1094
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,839
about the mozart effect because i'm sure

1095
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,680
you know about it

1096
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,640
sure yeah the mozart effect was uh

1097
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,240
measured by scientists

1098
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,520
that i mean i've already explained a

1099
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,800
little bit of it but it's dubbed the

1100
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,079
mozart effect it's the

1101
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,800
it's the fact that if you play mozart

1102
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,079
specifically

1103
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:41,520
uh to uh children

1104
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:45,680
they will measurably uh improve in their

1105
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,240
uh

1106
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,240
communication and language skills their

1107
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,680
mathematical skills

1108
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,160
their spatial reasoning and even their

1109
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:54,720
emotional regulation skills

1110
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,109
this is something that can be measured

1111
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,880
to some degree in other

1112
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,960
uh classical music composers as well

1113
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,960
it's just something that because

1114
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,680
mozart was such an instinctual genius at

1115
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,720
getting so many

1116
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:13,520
layers of his music to work in the same

1117
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,240
direction

1118
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,520
at the same time it has

1119
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:20,000
such a powerful effect where others

1120
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:20,880
would only have

1121
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,560
uh you know a a mild effect but

1122
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,440
this was only looking in one direction

1123
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:28,000
for one

1124
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,310
thing um

1125
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:32,400
[Music]

1126
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,470
there are even more

1127
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,400
[Music]

1128
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,960
fundamental measures of this kind of

1129
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,800
thing that were done a long time ago

1130
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,720
that people prefer not to look at

1131
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:44,800
because they are very worrying

1132
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,319
for instance it was something

1133
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:51,119
well understood by the 70s that you

1134
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,400
could play

1135
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:55,040
in two separate isolated rooms you could

1136
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,079
play

1137
00:47:02,710 --> 00:46:59,119
classical music to one bunch of plants

1138
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:02,720
yes plants and you could play uh

1139
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,400
acid metal to another bunch of plants

1140
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:09,280
and guess what happened yeah you might

1141
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,079
think it's

1142
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,680
just kind of uh projective and bigotry

1143
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,920
to imagine this but no it's the truth

1144
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,079
then the plants in the classical music

1145
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,520
room thrived

1146
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,079
and the plants being played acid rock

1147
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:24,160
physically grew away

1148
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,480
and withered wow

1149
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,400
wow mind-blowing and this is a very real

1150
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:35,680
effect that music has it's it's

1151
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,960
it's so wild that the the power is right

1152
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,079
at our fingertips

1153
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:41,920
and the majority of the population just

1154
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,030
it does because we've just simply

1155
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:49,599
because we we've become

1156
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:54,000
so um used to

1157
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,520
music as a background thing rather than

1158
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:59,359
something that we take right into the

1159
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,559
foreground of our

1160
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,800
consciousness we have background music

1161
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,680
playing all the time

1162
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,319
i personally know people who will never

1163
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:08,160
go never walk around town without

1164
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,119
headphones on

1165
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:11,599
giving them a quote sound track to their

1166
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,480
life that's

1167
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,119
that's what they actually call it it's

1168
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,630
you almost need an emotional buffer

1169
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,319
coming from music just to be able to

1170
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,920
walk around the city and emotionally

1171
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,960
survive it

1172
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,880
that's how they're using it but they

1173
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,720
don't actually have the consciousness to

1174
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,079
see that

1175
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,680
this is like saying right i'm off into a

1176
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:33,119
crowd i need a big

1177
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:41,270
yeah this is a very you know

1178
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:45,520
music it it is the manipulation's real

1179
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,720
uh the effect on us biologically is real

1180
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,359
and music may be the most powerful type

1181
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:56,319
of magic that we can easily access

1182
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:00,079
on a daily basis i think it is

1183
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,160
um consider this for an idea

1184
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,359
if you get a piece of uh very very

1185
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:09,440
complex music which gives you a very

1186
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,160
complex

1187
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,960
and educational and enlightening journey

1188
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,280
by listening to it

1189
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,640
there will uh

1190
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,720
there will be a solid chance that there

1191
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,800
is something inside that music

1192
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,359
a melody that you could pick out and

1193
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,960
sing for yourself while you're just

1194
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,960
walking down the street

1195
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,960
and it's not like when you pick out that

1196
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,480
melody and sing it to yourself while

1197
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:34,000
you're walking down the street that you

1198
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,319
are

1199
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,760
merely experiencing 100th

1200
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,839
of that piece of music by doing that to

1201
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,960
yourself that

1202
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:43,119
melody is actually some kind of

1203
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,160
psychological

1204
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:47,040
key back into the experience of a whole

1205
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,160
piece of music

1206
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,920
this is one of the powers of music is

1207
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,839
that it can enfold

1208
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:54,960
and compress thoughts and ideas and

1209
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,839
emotions and even memories and

1210
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,800
experiences down into

1211
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,280
tiny little memes that you can carry

1212
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,880
around in your memory

1213
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,720
when we become aware of this sort of

1214
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,000
thing

1215
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:09,119
we are going to have a tool which

1216
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,400
not only serves us instead of

1217
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:15,359
uh us eventually going down the slope

1218
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,319
into serving it

1219
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,960
as it is right now not only that but it

1220
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,720
will

1221
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:23,920
be a common magic

1222
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,040
understood by the populace

1223
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:30,880
that is a great defense

1224
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,119
against the social engineering mind warp

1225
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,200
that we find ourselves battered with

1226
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:39,599
every day in 2020

1227
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,640
yeah man i wish i i just think you know

1228
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,680
having

1229
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,000
found what i consider complex good

1230
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,480
quality music in my 30s

1231
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,280
i can't even imagine what my life would

1232
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,720
have been like if i would have

1233
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,680
been fed this from a very young age i

1234
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,000
mean this is very real

1235
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,760
it is very real and the fact that you

1236
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,839
discovered in your 30s quite probably

1237
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,680
saved you from

1238
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:06,160
some kind of psychic burnout or crash

1239
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:07,359
sure

1240
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,760
it's it's very interesting that you know

1241
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,880
in schools you know people tend to

1242
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,040
shy away from the oh i want to play

1243
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:21,599
football i don't want to play the violin

1244
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,960
and yet that this is a very fertile

1245
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,720
ground for the mind to just blossom

1246
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,800
instead of get bludgeoned

1247
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,559
well let me talk let me talk quickly

1248
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:32,319
about something that happened nearby me

1249
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:35,920
uh i live i live near bradford in the uk

1250
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,319
and

1251
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:39,920
there's a school in bradford

1252
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,920
that is highly multicultural

1253
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,319
it has many many different children from

1254
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:48,079
many many different parts of the world

1255
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,559
also

1256
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:51,200
first and second generation immigrants

1257
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,000
all

1258
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,440
convening at this school and if you know

1259
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,880
anything about schools like that you

1260
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,880
know that they're very difficult to try

1261
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,079
and maintain

1262
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,200
any kind of ethos in because people's

1263
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,760
philosophies of life are so convergent

1264
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,119
when there are so many

1265
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,119
uh different peoples all coming into a

1266
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:11,119
school together so it's difficult to

1267
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,920
find

1268
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,000
a way of keeping that school pointing

1269
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,200
forwards

1270
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:18,079
and that school in bradford was actually

1271
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:18,880
sailing

1272
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,319
horribly um scores for

1273
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,960
for children's marks in exams and scores

1274
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,400
for simply

1275
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,119
you know behavior and quality of life

1276
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:30,720
for the students and things like that

1277
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,079
were all absolutely dreadful until

1278
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,119
um a fellow came along and introduced

1279
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,119
what's called the kodai technique

1280
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,680
back into the school now zoltan kodai

1281
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,040
was a

1282
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,920
musicologist and composer from the start

1283
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,000
of the 20th century

1284
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:51,520
and he had a

1285
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,200
um a philosophy of musical pedagogy

1286
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:58,400
meaning there was a manner in which you

1287
00:53:03,430 --> 00:52:58,960
could

1288
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:03,440
use music and movement to help children

1289
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:08,640
grow as individuals and

1290
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,559
all this school did was to instigate

1291
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:14,640
a little bit of music and movement back

1292
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,839
into every day for every student

1293
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,000
and a year and a half later the entire

1294
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,079
school had been turned round

1295
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,160
and people were looking forward to going

1296
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,000
to school and they were getting high

1297
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,680
marks and exams again

1298
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,520
and it was all simply because they had

1299
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:31,680
stepped back from this

1300
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,880
needs to shove the stem subjects you

1301
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,720
know the science and the maths and you

1302
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,960
name it

1303
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:41,440
and actually treat children like human

1304
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:42,000
beings

1305
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,910
lives going on for themselves that

1306
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:50,800
needed

1307
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,240
[Music]

1308
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,520
nourishment from activities that they

1309
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,880
actually saw coming from the adults

1310
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,760
around them

1311
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,680
and as soon as that was re-established

1312
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:02,960
in school

1313
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,559
the behavior the quality of the thinking

1314
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,119
and just the whole ethos of the school

1315
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:11,200
measurably improved to the degree that

1316
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,319
that teacher

1317
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,599
i'm trying to find his name here for a

1318
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,119
second let me just actually give you his

1319
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:17,280
name because he is worth

1320
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:20,800
actually uh talking about him

1321
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:23,890
over my nose here unbelievable

1322
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,589
but the point is that teacher was was um

1323
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:38,240
nominated for a global teacher of the

1324
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:39,520
year award

1325
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:42,559
for what he did for that school and all

1326
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
he did was

1327
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,040
simply reinstate music and dance back

1328
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:46,480
into the school

1329
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,319
wow unbelievable

1330
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,440
it's not just music i mean these are

1331
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,599
these these these are frequencies the

1332
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,280
mind is aware of

1333
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,119
and i mean when you really think about

1334
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,480
it the ears are

1335
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,480
like an orifice just like the mouth or

1336
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,960
the nose and it's something that uh

1337
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:07,680
definitely you can it takes something in

1338
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:08,079
it

1339
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:16,000
um all i can offer your

1340
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,839
uh your listeners is the idea that

1341
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:23,599
we have to remember that we have been

1342
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,720
programmed into a visual culture

1343
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,119
we're all extremely visual creatures

1344
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:31,040
nowadays probably more so now than we

1345
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,640
ever were 40 years ago

1346
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,359
simply because we spent so much time in

1347
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:37,200
front of screens taking in information

1348
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,400
through our eyes

1349
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:41,040
it's not just looking at things anymore

1350
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,079
it's actually

1351
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,079
getting to grips with the world

1352
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,559
constantly through our eyes

1353
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,760
now we can do the same thing with our

1354
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,760
ears

1355
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,440
but we've just been conditioned out of

1356
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:54,880
doing so so

1357
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:58,960
that our ears can be a portal for things

1358
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,440
to be poured into us

1359
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,839
subconsciously instead of consciously

1360
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,960
and that is what we have to address in

1361
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:07,920
ourselves

1362
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:11,040
before we can genuinely say that we've

1363
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,000
become

1364
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:15,200
sovereign beings until that point we are

1365
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:15,520
still

1366
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,630
wow such a wealth of information simon i

1367
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:23,839
could talk about this for

1368
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:27,040
hours and hours but let's cut to the

1369
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,000
chase

1370
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,200
um before we go into uh i'm gonna link

1371
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:33,280
your gofundme page and and your website

1372
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,920
as well

1373
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:36,079
but before we go into that i'd like to

1374
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:37,359
talk about how

1375
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:40,799
religion churches the proportions uh

1376
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:44,079
spiritually this this this parallel is

1377
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,559
there

1378
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:46,240
in many different ways for those that

1379
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:47,760
don't believe can you go into just a

1380
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,160
quick

1381
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:50,880
uh bit of that and then into um where

1382
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,000
people can keep up with you

1383
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,480
whoa well okay well you you ask an

1384
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,040
enormous question at the last moment

1385
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,680
the idea of proportion and you know

1386
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,520
sacred spaces and religion and

1387
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:04,720
connection with music

1388
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:08,160
is is a very big thing i will i will say

1389
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,920
one thing about that proportion is a

1390
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,880
holy thing

1391
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,799
we know that from if you're if you're

1392
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,480
energy sensitive at all and you go into

1393
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,319
a cathedral which has been built with

1394
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,760
beautiful proportions

1395
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:21,040
you can feel it around you almost

1396
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:24,839
instantaneously um

1397
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:27,760
music in its

1398
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:31,920
old form was much more

1399
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,960
involved in those proportions one of the

1400
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:36,799
things that's happened in the last

1401
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,640
120 years is that this thing that we

1402
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,400
in the west we all do now which is to

1403
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,920
play our music in

1404
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,559
equal temperament that is the tuning

1405
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:48,240
system that we use

1406
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:51,599
where we subdivide uh an octave

1407
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,000
into 12 equal steps 12 equal notes

1408
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,839
this thing this this practice that we do

1409
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,920
we we do simply because it's a beautiful

1410
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,920
convenience it means that we can

1411
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,000
fit harmonies together like you can fit

1412
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,599
tetris blocks together

1413
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,359
and they always tessellate that's the

1414
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:11,920
only reason that we do it

1415
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,160
but this practice of um dividing

1416
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,799
the octave equally by 12 which we have

1417
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,640
been almost exclusively doing for the

1418
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:22,559
last 120 years

1419
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:26,240
is actually banishing from our music

1420
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:30,799
the accuracy of what you might call

1421
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,799
sacred proportions sacred proportions do

1422
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:35,599
exist

1423
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:38,960
they do have measurable effects

1424
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,319
on nature the golden section is the very

1425
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:49,030
but proportions do exist and in music

1426
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,000
older

1427
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,160
uh than the 19th than the end of the

1428
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,359
19th century

1429
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,359
the if you follow it back you find that

1430
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,760
music becomes more and more involved

1431
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,839
in its tuning systems in pure

1432
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:01,440
proportions

1433
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:05,760
and it is this

1434
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,200
removal of

1435
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:12,319
that very subtle background of change

1436
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:16,079
that non-equal tunings would give you

1437
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,319
it's you know as i've been banging on

1438
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:20,240
about it's it's another

1439
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:24,160
element of music that's been ironed flat

1440
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,000
recently and because of this it now

1441
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,559
no longer in most music contains

1442
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,319
anything that could be called the pure

1443
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,599
proportion

1444
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,079
so imagine that cathedral that gives you

1445
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,000
that buzz when you walk into it

1446
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,079
and move all the walls so that they're

1447
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,839
four or five percent off from their

1448
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:43,520
place and everything's a little wonky

1449
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,319
and just

1450
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,720
not as it was and you find the place

1451
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,319
won't feel the same anymore

1452
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,960
well the same is going on in music and

1453
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:53,119
it has been for a long time now

1454
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:56,799
and there is a underground swell

1455
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,240
of musicians who call themselves

1456
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,280
zen harmonists meaning people who work

1457
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,880
with harmony that is

1458
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,040
foreign that's all that zen means yeah

1459
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,200
alien what they mean by that is

1460
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,200
it's not 12 tone equal temperament we're

1461
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,640
doing something different

1462
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,720
there is a ground swell of it going on

1463
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:16,960
in the world at the moment people using

1464
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:20,160
what's called just intonation or 31 tone

1465
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,359
equal temperament or

1466
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,640
whatever other experimental and

1467
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,799
historically well-known tuning systems

1468
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:28,400
there are

1469
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:32,000
and it's being kept at bay

1470
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,200
by the

1471
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:35,920
[Music]

1472
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,280
sheer proportion of music

1473
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,720
which is horribly ironed out into 12

1474
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,960
tone equal temperament and because of

1475
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,480
this

1476
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:48,079
well i'm losing my thread slightly here

1477
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,430
i can see the end of a time

1478
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:57,440
when those proportions were banished

1479
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:58,559
from music

1480
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,559
there is music coming and it is part of

1481
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:01,680
my

1482
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,160
this world to bring back

1483
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:09,040
into our culture holy proportion in

1484
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,000
music

1485
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,720
and the truly startling effects that it

1486
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:14,960
can have

1487
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:19,599
wow it is so amazing such an amazing

1488
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,160
subject and you you're so knowledgeable

1489
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,839
of it simon

1490
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,319
where can our listeners uh go to your

1491
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,000
gofundme can you also give us your

1492
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:30,880
website and where they can follow you

1493
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,079
okay um i won't send them to my gofundme

1494
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:35,599
now because that's

1495
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,280
that's finishing off but i'm uh

1496
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,440
i have a single page website at the

1497
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,480
moment despite

1498
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,160
everything i'm saying and i sound ready

1499
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,240
to help people with this

1500
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:48,480
uh my my website is actually not quite

1501
01:01:55,150 --> 01:01:51,359
ready yet so i have a single page there

1502
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,029
theconsciousmusicschool.com

1503
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,440
and if you go there you can put your

1504
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,799
name and email in

1505
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,280
and i will send you an email as soon as

1506
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,680
the website is more fully functional

1507
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,880
and i have things to show you uh in the

1508
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:10,720
meantime if you want some

1509
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,319
um more understanding of the kinds of

1510
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,680
things that i teach

1511
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,480
you can find the conscious music school

1512
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:19,599
as a channel

1513
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:22,720
on youtube and on minds.com

1514
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,500
and on bit shoot

1515
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,440
[Music]

1516
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,119
great stuff and that's where that's

1517
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:31,119
where i saw your great stuff

1518
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,240
amazing the parallels and everything

1519
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,599
that you've done your research is

1520
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,280
fascinating and

1521
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:38,880
i i can't wait to talk to you again

1522
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,079
simon thanks so much for coming on

1523
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,680
it's been a really fun conversation i'd

1524
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,520
love to talk to you again very soon

1525
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,680
all next time all the best my man take

1526
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:49,119
care bye-bye

1527
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:53,920
bye-bye there you have it guys

1528
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,359
simon sidle go over

1529
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,839
and check out what he's got going on

1530
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:00,640
it's

1531
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,680
absolutely amazing the research the

1532
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:04,960
familiarity

1533
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:08,079
and the goals that he set him

1534
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:12,240
self for himself to help us all realize

1535
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,960
how important this is and it's not just

1536
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:16,480
music

1537
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,760
support him and definitely

1538
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,839
support yourself and your health and

1539
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,039
your well-being

1540
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:25,520
until next time keep your eyes to the

1541
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,319
skies

1542
01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:28,480
feet on the ground but don't forget to